Fourcast! 37: Girlcast II: Girl Comics
March 15th, 2010 by david brothers | Tags: ann nocenti, devin grayson, emma rios, girl comics, lucy knisley, Marvel comics, podcasts-I know Esther may not agree, but any list of the top Batgirls that does not include Cassandra Cain at #1 and Yvonne Craig at #2 is simply incorrect!
-6th Sense’s 4a.m. Instrumental for the theme music.
-In honor of Girl Comics #1, we’re talking about… women and comics.
-It’s a pretty wide-ranging discussion, and we loop back around to Girl Comics pretty regularly.
-Lucy Knisley’s Doc Ock strip was a hit.
-Devin Grayson and Emma Rios’s Cyclops and Phoenix story was similarly well-received, if not as awwwwwdorable.
-Toward the end, I talk about Ann Nocenti some more, as I wonder what kind of reception she’d get in these days when feminists run wild all over the blogosphere.
-See you, space cowgirl!
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“-Devin Grayson and Emma Rios’s Cyclops and Phoenix story was similarly well-received, if not as awwwwwdorable.”
Really?
…
WHY?
@LurkerWithout: I don’t understand the question.
Random aside, congratsish on Esther writing fo io9 now (I’m slow)
@Nathan: Thanks!
-I know Esther may not agree, but any list of the top Batgirls that does not include Cassandra Cain at #1 and Yvonne Craig at #2 is simply incorrect!
Damn straight! Hear! Hear!
Yvonne Craig #1! Cassie was good for all of five minutes, but only when Kelly Puckett was scripting – otherwise the character was a whiny emo with no clear direction or identity.
The Girl Comics argument wasn’t just that female creators were ‘ghettoed’ – there were other reasons that some were critical, from the exclusion of male creators (a logical consequence of the GC concept, but still a double standard), the inconsequential nature of the stories, the fact that the series is all of three issues in length, or the fact that some readers have a pathological block on admitting female creators can do the job – and I did get that vibe from a few commentators.
Personally, I was just skeptical of the notion that someone like Ann Nocenti or Louise Simonson need the ‘exposure’ of a filler strip in a gimmick title. Nocenti, I grant you, has never got her deserved props for Daredevil, but Simonson created X-Factor, Power Pack, New Mutants, Apocalypse – arguably she can handle an ongoing and might be a better addition to the Marvel brainstorming sessions than the guys who scout for new artists.
@AlLoggins: If you look at it not as an exposure or a gimmick title, but rather a celebration, it makes more sense.
-I know Esther may not agree, but any list of the top Batgirls that does not include Cassandra Cain at #1 and Yvonne Craig at #2 is simply incorrect!
I agree with you.. Cassandra Cain isn’t Batgirl